A few months back, we got P Gutta of GS9 on the phone and talked to him about how he helped to organize the gang march in Brooklyn in preparation for the October “Justice or Else” event in Washington, DC. During that time, he also told us about some of the incidents from his life that may have played a part in the current perdicament of Bobby Shmurda, Rowdy Rebel and other GS9 members. We caught up with GS9’s old head so that he could shed a little more light on the situation. he also talked about his beef with 50 Cent, hip-hop police and new music that he has in store. Check out the interview below.
So, what is your issue with 50 Cent?
50 likes to make jokes on people and I’m not with shit like that. He was doing his little thing with ThisIs50 and he had his little issues with Sha Money XL. He had his little issues with Slowbucks or whatever. I see how he takes to picking on people. He starts off with a little joke, then he goes full force. My thing is this. My homies are not a mockery or stepping stone for you to pick on anybody else. You see dudes that’s fighting a conspiracy charge, where they could be sent up north for mad time and you here joking on people because they locked up. All that shit is mad corny. These things are not subliminals. He’ll say, “This dude is facing a lot of time, but he ain’t fucked up like the Shmurdas.”
Stuff like that. It’s almost like you convicting them with your words in the public eye by saying they did they crimes. So, I’m like, why is this dude doing this? They’re not even convicted yet. I reached out and I got word to the dude, like fall back a little, you know. Give them a little space to fight their case in peace. It’s nothin’ personal. It came back that everything is everything. Then, a month later, he do a concert with Kidd Kidd locked up. Then, he goes shooting at Sha Money again, but then he throws the Shmurdas into it like he said he wouldn’t no more. “Kidd Kidd locked up, but he not as bad as the Shmurdas. Sha Money left all of them in jail.”
These were his words verbatim. “Not one of them got bailed out,” which is a lie. Four Shmurdas got bailed out already. Bobby’s brother got bailed out. He’s out right now. He’s putting out false rumors and tryin’ to shit on the homie. Not one time did he say “Free the Hots.” Not one time he said,”Free Bobby, free Rowdy,” in that whole joke he did about Kidd Kidd.
Why is 50 dissing the Smurdas?
He’s lookin’ for an avenue like he usually do. He’s lookin’ for somebody to beat on to get his stats up, or what not. He knows the Shmurdas is the hottest thing out. He thinks they pushable. That’s what bullies do. They push you, but when you hit back, they not gonna mess with you no more.
Where did you and 50 start off?
We ain’t never start off. He has a lot of disrespect, and a lot of people I deal with don’t like him on top of that, because of that disrespect. Like, the incident with Slowbucks. 50 did this because of Trav. 50 wants pawns around him. If he can’t tell you what to do, it’s a problem. He told Slowbucks to stay away from Trav. Slowbucks said, “Trav is cool. Why would I stay away from him?” “Because I don’t want you to be around him.” He said, “Listen, 50 you’re not my father.” That’s why 50 jumped him. He a bird.
How are you gonna handle the beef?
We can take it to the music. If a dude wanna prove he’s tough, come on, this is Don Diva. We could pull rap sheets. I got a 33 page rap sheet. I got locked up at 22. That was ten years ago. I did ten years in prison. If you wanna pull my in-jail rap sheet, my institutional rap sheet, we could prove we tough like that. I got about 36 cuttings in prison. That’s not stabbings. That’s not assault. I’m talkin’ about cuttings alone. They can’t tell me nothin’.
In reality, my niggas don’t take this shit serious. The streets is the streets, man. We in New York, my nigga. Who am I to follow a entourage to the restaurant after the club? You ain’t goin’ to no after party. All the guys who were followin’ you will catch you at the light. The shit ain’t difficult. But that’s not my life right now. All the shit we used to do, we don’t gotta do no more. Since Bobby and them got in trouble, we gonna find out how we can circumvent that, right there. Can’t be on the street on gangsta stuff. We out here gettin money. I don’t have time for this dude to mimic being a tough dude. He rap about the life I really live. I don’t care about what he used to do or what he thought he used to do. I really live everything he’s talkin’ about at this moment.
Tell us a little about your life and who you are.
I’m a young dude that was raised in Brooklyn by two Haitian parents. I got three brothers and one sister. My moms passed away when I was five years old. We didn’t really get the chance to know who she was. My pops, after she passed away, remarried another woman and abandoned us. Then the dude got locked up later for robbing a bank and shooting a cop. He was on the run for that. The same girl he left us for, he ended up having a fight with her, and ended up stabbing the woman in the chest. Police locked him up for all that in one shot. Now, his stupid ass is finished. He wrapped up. I don’t fuck with my pops for that reason alone. He abandoned us, and had a big come up, and instead of, you know, he didn’t have to be around. Just make sure the fam is good. I had to take care of the fam. I had to rob steal and do everything I had to do. My grandmother couldn’t raise three teenage boys. She was in her 80’s, 70’s. I grew up at 95th & Clarkson, Brooklyn, New York. Everybody knows, if you didn’t go up uptown to Harlem or Washington Heights in the 90s, late 80’s, for coke, The 9 was the spot. This is what gave the 90s the buzz we had. We were money makers. We coined the term “straight cash,” cause that’s all we did. It was a time on my block where I could spend five or eight hours and make $4,000, and it’s like 20 dudes on the block with me. $4,000. No exaggeration. All the OG’s and gangsters in the streets know about my hood. It’s buildings in my hood that were making $20,000-$100,000 a day. RIP all the OG’s that fell in the struggle. Free all the OGs still locked up in the struggle. Free OG Scooter. The 90s miss OGs like that. A lot of dudes don’t be knowing what they talking about when it comes to this street stuff.
Before you told me that your past is the reason Bobby and them got locked up. Can you elaborate?
The reason Bobby and them got locked has a lot to do with my era. Once ‘99 hit, I’m like fuck all this wild shit, because I was doing everything, bro. Everything you can think about under the sun. I was like, fuck it, I need a hustle. Older niggas sellin’ drugs out here. We needed a block. We get a little apartment in my building and start hustlin’. Niggas was gettin’ money in the hood. Dudes had shit on smash. We started gettin’ money with the homies and the era a little older than us wasn’t feelin’ that shit, so they started beefin’ us. We got the block now. The police move in, like we gotta pay them taxes and shit so they can let us rock. These are the same clowns you see now. They like, “All you gotta do give us a little somethin, and we won’t fuck with y’all.”’ In my young mind, I’m thinkin’ that’s extortion. In my grown mind now, shit, I’d pay these niggas a little somethin’ money to make a little $10,000, $20,000 a day. At that time, I’m young. I think I can go up against the world. I ain’t have any love for nobody at the time (outside of family). Love? There’s no such thing as that. Anybody could get it. We hungry, homie. We had to get it. We wasn’t with it.
A few months later, I’m in the crib, and my homie comes up like, “Yo, come outside.”
I came outside, and my homie’s like, “Yo, Lefty just made the police raise up?”
I’m like, “Made the police raise up? Fuck you mean?”
He like, “Yo, the police rolled up, talkin’ about, ‘If y’all don’t got the money by the end of the week, it’s gonna be a problem.’”
I was like, “Get the fuck outta here. Is you serious?”
“Lefty told them get the fuck outta here and spit on them.”
At the time, we used to always [pull] our guns on them. When they tried to search us and shit, we’d back ’em down like, “Get the fuck outta here.”
They’d drive off and come back and try to catch us slippin’ by ourselves. It was at least seven of us. We had this thing called “In Gats We Trust.” Cause, if everybody got guns up, it’s very difficult for anybody period to disarm us or try to lock us up. If two cops jump out the car and we got five guns on deck, they gonna jump back in they car, my nigga. Niggas is human, nahmean?
After Lefty did that, and they tell me this story, a police car comes and jumps the sidewalk. When they jump the sidewalk, they jump out and they gunbutt Lefty. Nobody knows what’s goin’ on. Everybody’s surprised. One of my mans went in the building, he went to go for the gun. He left the door open in the building, then everybody starts running across the street. I see my man in a seizure. It was three of them. There was two in particular called “Frick and Frack.” One is hip-hop police, named Victor. He’s like one of the head hip-hop police niggas. They like “What you gonna do?”
We said, “What we gonna do? Fuck you mean we gonna do? We gonna bust it up!”
Everybody ran to get guns and what not. I’m the only one that went to the store. I walked to the store real calm and bought a cigarette. By that time, the paddy wagon had already pulled up. The police is chasin’ everybody. Nobody gets to where they gotta go. Everybody gets tackled and all that. As a result, I get my gun and went back outside. I see the police still causin’ havoc. I just started dumping on everything. Niggas talkin’ about 30-clips now. I had a 30-clip back then. I let the whole thing go. (gun sounds). I hid out. Later on that day, somebody must’ve told what’s goin’ on. They bust in the crib. Dudes did my grandmother dirty. I turned myself in that day, but I got up outta that shit.
Man, the fuckin’ hip-hop police started seeing us and like, “Hold up, these the same dudes from back in the day.” When it comes to hip-hop police, people think they’re fake. They’re real. The head hip-hop police is Victor. Victor’s the slick-haired one that’s always in front of the clubs. Now that he’s hip-hop police, it don’t make matters better. That’s why they pick on Bobby and those guys. They feel Bobby and them came from a group of dudes that didn’t give a fuck about shit in the streets. Now, here they come and they hear music about not giving a fuck. That’s why they go as hard as they go at them. Bobby and them is new kids. They just hit the street, so to accuse them of things that they’re involved in doesn’t make a lot of sense.
What are some of the misconceptions people have about Bobby’s case?
A lot of people got this shit twisted. Niggas like why you ain’t bail out Bobby?”
What dudes don’t know is the first person that tried to bail out Bobby was Slowbucks and his team. There’s a lot of legalities that go into it, like verification of family ties and the ties that people have with each other. But they not sure where the money comin’ from. They want to verify that the money isn’t solicited or anything of that nature. That’s why you can’t just go bail ‘em out. People don’t really understand.
They like, “Why don’t the label bail em out?”
Victor and these hip hop police were bannin’ Bobby and GS9 from doin’ shows before they got locked up. Not only are they not allowing them to do shows in New York, they gotta remind themselves, if they get bailed out, they gonna have some restrictions on goin’ outta state. And this is a murder trial. Who’s to know they don’t put them on ankle bracelets? Those two factors alone can guarantee that he’s not gonna have any shows. Now, if he can’t have shows, how’s he gonna promote himself other than the studio or radio. The record label is lookin’ at that. Then you gotta think about what these people like Victor put out there. He’s liability, he’s a gang risk, he could get shot, he could get killed, he could shoot people. They’re lookin’ at it like this is a liability that they wouldn’t waste another $2 million on. Now, it’s more than business. It’s a factor in they mind. They lookin’ at it like, $2 million vs. a possible $5 million gain. Possibilities is not any kind of assurance in business.
A major fact that I wanted the public to be aware of is they said that they found 14 guns inside of one studio, which is absolutely incorrect. Emphatically incorrect. The actual truth was, they ran in the studio and possibly found about three to four guns. When I say possibly, I mean that in the sense of hearsay. They never mentioned that they ran in seven different households that same night and recovered drugs, guns and whatever they allegedly found in them other houses. What they did was, they said all them guns and things was found in the studio. So, the public is under the assumption that all that was recovered in the studio. That’s incorrect. What stuff like that do, is it gives the homies a bad rap. All the kids in that indictment wasn’t in the studio that night. They rushed houses. D-Boy Locc, he was in a party in Queens when the locked him up. It’s a lot of things that’s lies.
What are some other lies?
Bobby tryna kill his brother is a lie. A complete lie. Bobby getting stabbed is a lie. Rowdy turning Blood is a lie. That’s a super lie. GS9 as a gang is a lie. GS9 is not a gang. It’s a rap group. If you wanna equate GS9 to anything, to me, the Wu-Tang Clan is the best way to explain us. They so thirsty to make people gang members. We got dudes in GS9 that are Bloods. We ain’t got no time for this gang shit that they talkin’ about. GS9 is rap group that affiliates itself with everybody in the streets. As long as you got respect.
Other than that, it is what it is. We tryna get back to where we were before. I just hope that homies come home and the shit dies out. People may think, “He’s doin’a lot of talkin’ right now.” This is nothing. This is just to clear the air on a lot of things people might not know.
What do you have in store for the people?
I got a clothing line that’s about to drop called Shmami Apparel. I got a lot of music comin’ up. Look out for my artists Loccie Shmula and the Shmula Gang. Pay attention to Richie P, COD. Bobby’s mixtape is about to drop. Rowdy’s out now. Shmoney Keeps Calling.
I got a mixtape coming out February 20. It’s Hitta Shmusic Mixtape Vol. 1.. Everybody compares shootin’ to basketball. I’m comparin’ all that to baseball. I’m McGwire in this game and all the Sammy Sosas is my hots. Hittin’ shit out the park, nah mean? I got joints with Chedda Da Connect and DJ Starks from [Power] 95.1. The mixtape is for the streets, about what we go through in the streets. None of that lovie dovie stuff. This is for all the shmamis that got gangsta niggas that they ride for. They gonna vibe to that. All the gangsta niggas, vibe to that. Everybody else that don’t care about this music, fuck ‘em.
Follow P Gutta on Instagram at @pgutta_rpg.